I will take the fundies gods plans over Karl Marx anyday

So Obama's plans aligning with Lucifer are a positive in your book?

@shewithnoname, your comment is so "out there" it doesn't even warrant a response....you too, tom m. Why are you people not signing your real names?

Romney even lies when he debates with himself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPgfzknYd20

Yep....they do........

ROMNEY/RYAN in 2012....means.....No more over $7 billion cuts in Medicare

@ John McMillian
We don't use our names because the black panthers might attack us. We align with God which means we don't fight dirty. If you don't fight dirty then you have to protect yourself.

Please, Tracy, explain why he is "literally crazy."

C'mon Tracy!

"literally" - please, what does that mean really?! There are words that are needlessly overused when there's no real need for it - this is one of them. If this is your attempt to sound educated, you failed . . . and while we are at it, Romney is pure genius.

Where have you been? He left his state 47th out of 50 in job creation, raised taxes which they call fees, etc. Notice what a job creator he was in Mass. Wake up - this man is a fraud and a liar.

Valerie,
SharEd has been in the real world. State Senator Obama left Illinois in the 46th place for job creation and with taxes that are going to crush the life out of the private sector of the state. Talk about fraud and the word CHICAGO comes up. I grew up a Catholic Democrat in the Chicago area and have not voted Democrat since 1994. I grew up.

Great point !!!! The people of Massachusetts are overwhelmingly supporting Obama. ENOUGH SAID !!!!!

MSNBC estimated the crowd at 117 people

Huh? Which polls are you citing?

Big deal, Obama had 15,000 in Columbus today.

and Obama had 65 bazillion in Anchorage,
and 145 bazillion in Topeka
and everyone on the entire planet saw him on MSNBC.

New York Times estimated the crowd at -17
ABC reported the crowd at -17
NBC reported the crowd at -17.2
CBS blamed Bush
NPR reprted no Romney Events held anywhere
MSNBC reported "oh yes Barry YES"

Defiantly at least 20,000 people!

that is great to hear, i wish i could have come! Mitt has so many good qualities, and he is a good family man, not to mention a smart business man! I believe in my heart he is truly what this country needs to begin to heal. the quick sand Obama has put under us is quickly destroying America, stealing from our children and their children!

Hmmm Adam, what were they being defiant about?

Adam, the news reports said about 13,000 people...who else are you counting? Or is that number just something you dreamed up?

@John At least 16,000 tickets were given out as of noon!

!6,000 tickets, Adam? Really? Or was it "defiantly" 20,000? I wonder how many pink slips he's given out...surely a large multiple of that.

So again I'm asking, what was it...13,000? 16,000? 20,000? 30,000? You're just guessing, along with the guy who said "probably" 10,000 more outside LOL...anyway at this point, who cares. Both candidates are gonna get big crowds from here on in, dontcha think?

John M.
I was there. It was great just to see the PEOPLE ringing the NAT. My estimate is that it was at least 10-13 k people. The venue was filled and the whole place was ringed by supporters. If I had to go by a Democratic Party approved estimate I'm assuming that everyone who is alive today was there.

they dont believe that Glinda, they have to go way back at some old legislative law that Mitt was against. Mitt knows better he is not going to touch Roe VS Wade
However he is focused on the main issue and that is JOBS!!!!!

That's what he says today. Tomorrow or maybe later on today he will have some other stand. His head must be spinning with all the lies he has to keep track of. He says whatever people he is with want to hear. He has no moral core, just a liar.

I am a Romney supporter... abortion is probably 100 on my list of things that need fixed.
-1 out of 6 in poverty
-47 million on food stamps
-$16.1 Trillion National Debt
-23 million unemployed
-Rising food costs
-Gas prices
and on and on... HOPE isn't a strategy! America needs REAL change!

And repudiate it is exactly what he did, Valerie. As expected. Every time he tries to loosen his Mad Tea Party straight jacket that he willingly put on, they tighten the straps. Same deal with his tax plan. Same deal with his budget plan. Same deal with his healthcare plan (the one Obamacare was modeled after). He rushed into the embrace of the Teabaggers, and now he's stuck with their baggage. Tough! They'll be his undoing, as surely as they made himwhat he is today. The only question now is, what will he try to pretend he is tomorrow?

tom, you need better schooling , that is for sure! too bad, you are "sisk" is that a liberal illness? glad i dont have it, i have to work for a living!! ya know, pay for my own phone, rent, food, etc, but you hang in there tom, Help is on the way, Im sure Mitt can find a job for you down the road, but please finish school!

Sisk?,
according to the Dictionary of Nonsensical Politics that means you're happy with the way things are and it's all Bush's Fault.

End the BUSH era...

Vote Obama out!

"END THE BUSH ERA...Vote Obama Out!"

One of the best lines I have heard all week! Thanks for the laugh!

Sucks so many couldn't make it in! AWESOME event!!

you said it the icing on the cake ,he looks like he eats a lot on the icing on cake! he need to go back to nj and take care of his state! school suck! teacher are under paid! taxies r to high ! cost of living to high ,HE need to take care of the older poeple in NJ ,go home CHRIS take care of new jersey forGET MITT!

michelle,
meeooowww! I have friends who live, and pay taxes, in NJ. They approve of and support Chris Christie. All you can offer us are "Fat" jokes? Pathos exists in your household.

james , born and raised in south NJ SO I HAVE MORE THAN JUST FRIENDS THERE !!! my mother who will be 80years on sunday !!!!! and is raiseing my brother who is disable and 57years! old get NO HELP FROM THE STATE OF NJ because they said she make to much MONEY S.S. so if i would like to call chris FAT AND HE SIT ON HIS FAT ASS and line his pockets with tax money i will, and he running around with his buddy MITT went he should be taking care of his state! p.s CHRIS GO HOME !!! FORGET MITT !!!!

He can eat cake all day Michelle. As long as what comes out of his mouth is the honesty I hear every time he speaks... I don't care.

HONESTY!!! i do,nt think that man knows what is! went was last time you went to N.J
LOOK AT THE SCHOOLS, THE TEACHER ARE UNDER PAID ! SO ON AND SO!
AND HE IS BACKING MITT ALL I HAVE TO IS !!! SHUT THE FRONT DOOR!!! 4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD BLESS THE USA

That's real nice Michelle. I am sure NJ has no stake in this election. No wonder kids are bullied, we have people like Michelle that do it for a living... stay classy Michelle!

adam ,you sure have a lot to said to a lot of poeple about a lot of things,first you DO,NT KNOW ME, A BULLY IAM NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do i say what feel yes! is that a bully NO! thats the way my father and mother raise me to say whats on my mind once a jersey girl always a jersey girl! i have lived in c.f for 38years! after reading some of your comment on hear you may be the bully BUT I DO,NT KNOW THAT BECAUSE I DO,NT KNOW YOU TO SAY THAT! I STAND UP VERY TALL PROUD AGAINST BULLYING! HAVE NCE DAY AND GOD BLESS YOU!

That's really a good question! Especially since the event was in the parking lot. There have been all kinds of guesses as to attendance, each larger than the last. I'm inclined to believe the 13,000 reported, NOT the speculations of 20,000 or 30,000...wait, maybe there were a MILLION people there!!! ??? Who knows for sure? LOL

At least 20,000 all together

20,000 including the thousands turned away*

John does it really make any difference how many people were there ....it should be the content of his words ...now obama did speak before a college crowd to talk about Big bird and to tell the kids to vote early (even offering to bus them to a early voting poll and bring them back for free) my guess before the biden/ryan debate

No it doesn't really make any difference how many people were at one rally. Although it seems to matter to Adam and his friends, who keep elevating the figures every time they speak. Why exaggerated numbers are important to them, I have no idea.

Jessica asked a question and I tried answering it. I know 16,000 tickets were given out by noon the day of the event, and they had a ticket booth at the event with a line wrapped around the Natatorium. John, I have no idea why you think I would just make up random numbers!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/moneybuilder/2012/10/09/political-scandal-developing-surrounding-credit-card-donations/

Read it. Predictable, coming from Forbes that it would try to impugn Obama donations. What? No mention of the fundraisers Mitt held in ISRAEL? Where did that money originate? And who can say where all the anonymous donations to GOP-supporting SuperPacs are coming from, since it's ALL secret?

So glad you are speaking up, my sentiments exactly, Romney is an evil liar who will leave all his faithful voters more dumbfounded than they already are. Wake up people, Romney is only for the rich, wake up!

Thank you for your affirmation "No Romney!" Not only am I speaking out in these forums when they've gone off the rails, but I'm calling and canvassing for Sherrod Brown and President Obama and donating what I can afford. I can't begin to match the millions being donated anonymously by cranky millionaires and billionaires, but I've found that talking to my friends, family, neighbors, acquaintances and even strangers brings many to recognize that this election could send this country to being a plutocracy or theocracy or a horrid combination of the two, or it could maintain and hopefully strengthen our democracy against the insidious control of corporations and the obscenely wealthy. One Romney Supreme Court justice changes the balance of the Court for the rest of most of our lives to a Court that will ALWAYS side with the corporation against the people. So take binding arbitration as just the start of the erosion of the people's rights. Then you can reasonably assume civil rights, women's rights, consumers' rights, and a whole host of other rights will be in their sights. NO Romney! and others of like mind, if you've got some time, please lend us some help to ensure we can keep American moving forward.

Just saying be OBJECTIVE Robert! It happens on BOTH sides...

Dear NO Romney,
and he steps on flowers too!!!

I love when Dems whine. Earlier this year they were all kinda giddy about Obummer being the first $billion candidate. When Romney started raising more money then the whining started.

And I hate it when Republicans cheat, Tom, like what they're doing to try to suppress the vote, flooding the airwaves with the most negative truth-challenged ads ever seen, fueled by anonymous billionaires trying to buy the election. There's no point in continuing though. You know that you're guilty, but you'll never admit it. I'm only glad that tonight good old Joe took Lyin' Ryan to the woodshed. And yet your crosseyed scribes tried to spin it into a win for the kid. If he's so brainy, how come he couldn't answer the questions? All he came out with were rehearsed talking points. That's objective. You may not like it, but it's objective.

Words don't LIE

I have lived in Florida for the last 20 years, but was born and raised in Cuyahoga Falls, and lived there for the first 35 years of my life. My heart will always be there.

...and thanks for asking! :)

The BLIND are the Obama followers

And we wonder why kids call each other names!

Your name is Gina. I just got back from the after-party/super secret Romney meeting and his plan to take away women's rights is amazing. Gina, I hate to tell you this but I think there are already a bunch of whack job Romney supporters surrounding your house and ready to persecute you.

Whack job Obama supporters opened the flood gates to taking away our rights 4 years ago. That's right Americans, wake up!
Romney / Ryan 2012!!!!
Let's add ONE more to the unemployment number.............OBAMA!!!

Nobody will persecute you for having an honest opinion... calling people whack jobs won't make you any friends. Just a thought!

Just repeating an earlier fellow poster............eluding that the rest of us are "whack job Romney supporters"..............just sayin'

DEATH PANELS !! OH, NOOOOO !!!! Holy Cow !! How can this BE ????? ( or, maybe, what kind of dimwit really believes this ? )

Saw a lot of women at the rally!

She must be referring to the taking away of women's rights to SUBSIDIZED birth control..........or lack there of (in a lot of cases).
No rights taken away, just pay for it yourself, period.

How about showing both sides, as you are siting the trusted factcheck.org:

We found exaggerations and false claims flying thick and fast during the first debate between President Obama and his Republican challenger, Mitt Romney.

Obama accused Romney of proposing a $5 trillion tax cut. Not true. Romney proposes to offset his rate cuts and promises he won’t add to the deficit.
Romney again promised to “not reduce the taxes paid by high-income Americans” and also to “lower taxes on middle-income families,” but didn’t say how he could possibly accomplish that without also increasing the deficit.
Obama oversold his health care law, claiming that health care premiums have “gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.” That’s true of health care spending, but not premiums. And the health care law had little to do with the slowdown in overall spending.
Romney claimed a new board established by the Affordable Care Act is “going to tell people ultimately what kind of treatments they can have.” Not true. The board only recommends cost-saving measures for Medicare, and is legally forbidden to ration care or reduce benefits.

And....

Obama said 5 million private-sector jobs had been created in the past 30 months. Perhaps so, but that counts jobs that the Bureau of Labor Statistics won’t add to the official monthly tallies until next year. For now, the official tally is a bit over 4.6 million.
Romney accused Obama of doubling the federal deficit. Not true. The annual deficit was already running at $1.2 trillion when Obama took office.
Obama again said he’d raise taxes on upper-income persons only to the “rates that we had when Bill Clinton was president.” Actually, many high-income persons would pay more than they did then, because of new taxes in Obama’s health care law.
Romney claimed that middle-income Americans have “seen their income come down by $4,300.” That’s too high. Census figures show the decline in median household income during Obama’s first three years was $2,492, even after adjusting for inflation.
Obama again touted his “$4 trillion” deficit reduction plan, which includes $1 trillion from winding down wars that are coming to an end in any event.

Above and the rest of article from:
http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/dubious-denver-debate-declarations/

Next time don't exaggerate or mislead.

Joseph Robert,
How are things in Alemeda, California where you live? Not the same as here in NEO where we have a balenced budget and a government that doesn't control every facet of our being.

As if someone from Alemeda California could be a trustworthy source of information on responsible government. Joseph Robert, how much is your union pension per year? How much is your salary from the Obama Re-election Campaign?

Now lets list see your list of Hillary and Bill Clinton's comments during the last primary.

C'mon Joe! Howbout being somewhat objective... plenty of videos of Dems bashing Barack Obama lol

Understanding politics is the first step in understanding politics haha

I don't really feel like your ridiculous post deserves a serious response. But I'll go ahead anyway. I don't watch MSNBC. I don't even get it on my limited cable offerings and don't really miss it not being there. If I watch TV news, it's on ABC, CBS, NBC, or PBS. I read a ton of online news items, the local daily paper, and I listen to NPR constantly. There I get access to ALL points of view. You might notice that I didn't mention FOX. Well, maybe that's because I consider it unmentionable. A recent independent poll showed that FOX news viewers are less informed and have more incorrect views than ALL, even than people who watch NO news. Is that where you get your information? With mention of death panels and Chinese donations, it certainly seems like it. Yeah,,,death panels are a lie. Informed people KNOW that. FOX viewers don't.

cute

Learn about Joseph Robert
As if someone from Alemeda California coulb be a trustworthy source of information on responsible government. Joseph Robert, how much is your union pension per year?

Isn't this the Cuyahoga Falls Patch?

Joseph Robert,
How are things in Alemeda, California where you live? Not the same as here in NEO where we have a balenced budget and a government that doesn't control every facet of our being.

Wait, Joe you live in Cali?

Being a Combat Veteran of the Iraq War and having attended several memorial services for fallen brothers, I thought Mitt Romneys words about the Americans killed by terrorists in Libya were very moving!

Americans RUN too danger when our fellow brotheren are in harms way, we help each other and that's what those courageous SEALs did on that day! Rest Easy Warriors!!!

Store clerks and waitresses have it pretty bad also. They have to put up with plenty of abuse from the public and don't get fulltime hours, benefits or $30/hour. Maybe they should also! Why shouldn't they if a line worker gets it?

And, now PaulRevere. Looks like the other side is responding.
So, all of us local folks may as well sit back and let them take over this areas Patch.

Lyn, if all you can add is complaints about people you don't agree with freely expressing their constitutional right of freedom of speech, maybe you shouldn't participate. And what's with the whining about teachers? Why are you jealous of someone who bettered him- or herself by going to college, getting a teaching degree, working hard to educate kids who don't care any more about getting an education than the parents who made them, and still continuing their education to improve their teaching skills? Why are you jealous of a teacher who will retire only on their teacher's pension and no Social Security? Why aren't you instead jealous, or better yet, incensed by million-dollar (or higher) CEOs who run their companies into the ground, still get their bonuses, and then leave with their golden parachutes intact? Seems like your priotities are askew. And, to answer your question, I don't know about others, but I'm in the area This was also posted to the Lakewood Patch...for what reason, I can't comprehend. If Patch didn't want to encourage dialogue, why would they put their articles in other cities' Patch editions? Frankly, an article about Rmoney wouldn't have interested me, but it was there. If you want unanimity of opinion and no chance to be exposed to others' thoughts, perhaps you'd like to stick with FOX News. They will surely accommodate you.

Robert-
Not sure if you have my comments mixed with others, but...
Regarding my comments to teachers, you missed my point. I was standing up for the waitresses and sales clerks who make very little, with usually no benefits (sick pay, vacation, medical and health care). I compared to other people in everyday life, our neighbors that we pass in the grocery store, worship with and so on. And, when I mentioned teachers I even did say they do need education beyond high school - meaning that should be factored into paying them more. No slam there to teachers - but support to others less fortunate. And that may include some more educated who are underemployed as a waitress or sales clerk.

And about where a Patch article is found, I think some articles that are not specific to our own community, like a school issue, will be on our area, Cleveland/Akron area, network of Patchs. So, you may see it as Lakewood and I may see it as Strongsville.
Also, you mentioned FOX. If you had ever read my many previous postings, I don't think you would call me a FOX follower. IF I watch cable news, its CNN. After things like the debates, I do flip between the channels to see what they all have to say - and Fox is always the last, after MSNBC. I get a kick out of how those 2 channels put a complete different take on the same thing. But I can't take Matthews yelling at his viewing audience very long. And MSNBC doesn't use many people from both sides in their discussions, so I don't feel like I'm getting much there. I always end up back at CNN.
Lastly, I enjoy reading reading others opinion, and learn from what they might say. So, I if someone has a different opinion, no problem here. However, when I come to the Patch I would prefer to read my neighbors writings and not someones who only was interested in swaying or influencing our readership, because, IMO, it diminishes what this site was assumed by many to be. IMO, it is becoming a political tool.

Robert-
Just looked over some of your most recent postings, which I should probably have done before I wasted my time answering some of your points.
WOW!
I didn't realize you had such a hatred or intolerance for those who oppose your views. So, they are all Fox and Rush followers and evil, uninformed, ignorant Republicans?
Why not try discussing an issue instead of just bashing people? Try it, you might learn something.

Lyn...just to set the record straight, "...evil, uninformed, ignorant Republicans...'" are your words, not mine. If you choose to read that into what I wrote, that's your choice. I know that Fox is biased...don't you? I know that they dispense false information...don't you? I also know that MSNBC is out there and that CNN can be tedious, repeating the same stories over and over. I don't watch them either. I'm old school, because I prefer the local paper and major networks, PBS, and particularly NPR, where I know I will hear ALL viewpoints. When I hear or read distortions or aberrations, I respond. There has been plenty in this forum that needed answering. I share your concern if you really care for waitresses and others in low-paying jobs. But what stood out in your comments came across as teacher-bashing. If that wasn't your intent, your initial post didn't convey that. Look at your own words:

"And then lets say you have a teacher, making $70,000 - 185 days/year and 7.5 hr/day. Forget their constant interjection about working all those nights and weekend and all summer long."

You now suggest that you are not singling out teachers, but those words suggest otherwise. Why mention teachers, some of whom (though hardly all) might make as much as much as 70K and ignore the insult of CEOs making 400 times what their average employees make? I don't understand the logic. Maybe you can explain it without resorting to mischaracterizing my own comments, as you did here.

To finish my thoughts, this story appeared in the Lakewood Patch too, even though it originated in Cuyahoga Falls. As Northeast Ohioans, I believe that we all have a right to know what's happening in our back yard. I don't know how many commenters here are from very far-ranging locations, and I don't care, if they are logical. If you read a wide range of comments in this forum, you'll see references to "death panels" and "socialism" and who knows what other totally discredited notions. It's a shame that such notions are still circulating, because they don't reflect favorably upon those still spouting them, and they don't add to a body of knowledge. I AM intolerant about willful ignorance of that sort. Aren't you, Lyn? Doesn't that offend you?

Robert-
I do think Fox and MSNBC are biased - and Glenn Beck and Rush and .....
But it is interesting to hear what they each have to say after a debate - complete opposite - but there MAY be some truth in what they say.
When I mentioned teachers, it was after we had also had a discussion of line workers. So I was bringing in another profession. Knowing what teachers make, I went with that number. I could have gone with $90,000+ as one might get in Brecksville or $80,000+ in Strongsville. I asked to disregard beyond 7.5 hours, because I didn't want to initiate some debate between people about how much this person works at home and that other teacher does. You were reading way too much into my comment. It had nothing to do with bashing teachers! Just standing up for the little guy. And, I wasn't comparing to the wealthy because that is not the norm. I'm talking about those we rub shoulders with - why are we even begrudging that waitress or sales clerk when others who are neighbors make so much more? I don't know how better to explain it. I was not bashing teachers here - but what about the little guy?
I'm sorry if I overreacted. I'm tired of being targeted and when you also jumped on the bandwagon, I summed up how your comments come across to me as I read them.
Gotta go - was turning my computer off.

Lyn, after your explanation I'd have to say that I perhaps came on too strong. We agree that FOX and MSNBC don't present unbiased news and do present extreme opinions. But I prefer to avoid them, along with toxic induhviduals (intentional misspelling) like Rush, Glenn Beck, and even ever-negative Kevin O'Brien of the Plain Dealer. I prefer the calm and balance of Diane Rehm or Talk-of-the-Nation on NPR. If you don't already listen, I highly recommend them. You might be interested in this link about FOX news viewers being less informed than people who don't watch any other TV news. I intentionally used a link from Forbes, lest a troll jump down my throat for daring to refer to HuffPost or something else they won't go to.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/

...again with the @#&%# word limit....

Reasonable people disagree reasonably. That's what's mostly missing from all these forums. BTW, the reason I made reference to high earners, Lyn, is simple. They do so well at getting theirs because they underpay the people who work hard from them. That's why we have the greatest disparity in pay from top to bottom that has ever been seen, and it gets worse every day. They see to it that they get paid handsomely whether they succeed or fail. When they succeed, they got bonuses (and often when they fail, too). When they monumentally fail, they get their golden parachute. WE get the shaft either way. Waitresses, mechanics, and yes, teachers, work hard and do vital work. I don't expect they will get the same as the guy who owns the company or manages it, but 400 times more for the CEO? I looked up teachers' pay in NE Ohio. Although some do indeed get nearly 70K, the average in the last couple years for Ohio is around the mid-50s. I would think we'd want the best-educated teachers for our kids. I wish everybody earned a living wage. In my opinion, that is not what Romney and Ryan most care about, and I know I'm not alone, by a long shot. I'd say this discussion has about run its course now. Glad we had an opportunity to exchange views.

My point was -
What makes the over $20 difference and no benefits between the auto worker and the waitress? I'm sure people would feel outrage at a waitress or store clerk getting over $30/hr and paid benefits. Can't you understand them feeling the same towards an auto worker?

And then lets say you have a teacher, making $70,000 - 185 days/year and 7.5 hr/day. Forget their constant interjection about working all those nights and weekend and all summer long. Many professionals work at home. Just go with their contract. That's $50/hr.
They need education beyond high school.
But, should they be making $40/hr more than that overworked, abused waitress and store clerk who do not have health insurance or 15 sick days or all that vacation time and pension?

oh Adam really, get a life! I lived in CFO for many many years, which makes me very qualified to post on this board. There's no requirement that you must live in the Falls AT THIS MOMENT to post here. Or do you know something I don't? LOLOL I probably know a lot more about the city than you do, so calm down...

I never said John McMillan... I am talking about people who literally have nothing to do with C-Falls!

Get a life? Really John? lol

Right on john ! you told him!

Then Friday's news about dropping unemployment and today's news further reinforcing that about the lowest claims rate in four and a half years, should make you happy...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/11/us-usa-economy-idUSBRE89A0R520121011

Watts, do you believe everything the government tells you?

No MZ, sometimes I will sit in my closet with a tin foil hat on and only then can I keep the government brain moles from getting in. Ya know, just like every conspiracy theory nut. Same with you?

Watts, wow, project much? Let me be a little clearer with my question, do you believe the unemployment number? Further, do you believe the economy is improving?

Yes and yes, obviously. Why would you have to ask, given that I just posted the latest figures showing more improving indicators, unless you were about to try to lay some conspiracy theory on me to try and say different. Yes, projecting, but am I wrong or are your answer also yes and yes?

Watts, something isn't adding up. GDP numbers don't seem to support the unemployment numbers. I suspect the number dropped for one of two reasons (or possibly a combination of both). More people quit looking, thus the pool of "workers" has shrunk or these are mostly part time and seasonal jobs. Also, the jobs report was missing California. I repeat, the most recent jobs report didn't have California in it. That might impact the number a wee bit.

I knew that the conspiracy theories were right around the corner. Here is the CA thing addressed in the News Corp. (read: Fox) owned Wall Street Journal:

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/10/12/california-says-its-not-the-mystery-large-state-that-skewed-claims-data/

Having my main residence in CA, I have witnessed unemployment levels amongst my friends (mainly in the music industry), that far exceeded the national averages a few years ago. I look around me now and I don't know a single person who is unemployed. So the improvements that I have see in the world that surrounds me actually reflects an improvement that is even far better than what is being reported nationally. And I know that Ohio has a lower unemployment rate than the National average.